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Polgara Val · Aug 04, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Ideally, elitism would be inherent in the game. Unfortunately, GW is closer to socialism than meritocracy.

I couldent have said it better myself, unfortunately displaying the merits are a little difficult without social standing sometimes etc....

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Trylo · Aug 04, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Ive been kicked out of more ursan groups for being r9 and not r10 than HA groups im one or two ranks under...

I see it more as... in pve rank actually numerically matters, whereas you can have a skilled player be a lower rank because they just dont like HA much (i dont mean r2/3, i mean they have real experience). I dont like PvE much, yet i get kicked for not being the max rank. If you dont like HA much, but you have a champ title, ive seen groups be quite lenient, same with friends (as an r2 i got into some nice r8+ halls teams)

anyways to answer the question: RA has the most elitist people. i swear.

Burst Cancel · Aug 04, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by moriz

elitism is an attitude that is often found in those who do not deserve to show it.

There's no such thing as 'deserving to show elitism'. Elitism is the belief that those of an elite group are more deserving than those outside of that group - but whether someone who advocates elitism is herself a member of that elite group is irrelevant.

In short, elitism in GW would be the belief that better players deserve better rewards/treatment/etc. Whether or not you happen to actually be one of those better players is an entirely different question.

The behavior most people perceive as 'elitism' is really just a simple combination of ignorance and arrogance.

Malice Black · Aug 04, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Elitism doesn't exist. It's a word created by bad people so they can blame their short comings on other people.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 04, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I like playing with the AI. It means I never have to worry about elitism or whatever.

Taurucis · Aug 04, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Everywhere. Guild Wars is starting to have a worse community than Runescape these days.

Malice Black · Aug 04, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

My title has what to do with this exactly? I paid for a subscription to guru, the title is part of that. Your point is worthless.

Sin City Gamer · Aug 04, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

My title has what to do with this exactly? I paid for a subscription to guru, the title is part of that. Your point is worthless.

Sorry, I realized that after I posted. you got in before I could delete my post...

Btw, I actually do very much commend your financial support of the website. Any offense was unintended and stupid on my part.

{IceFire} · Aug 04, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Easy, that would be the GWG forums.

Malice Black · Aug 04, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Sin City Gamer

Sorry, I realized that after I posted. you got in before I could delete my post...

Btw, I actually do very much commend your financial support of the website. Any offense was unintended and stupid on my part.

Offense lol If I got offended by words on a forum, I'd take a shotgun to my head

Accursed · Aug 04, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

It used to be the Hero's Ascent groups that had the most elitism due to your lack of rank, but ever since Ursan made it's appreance ever since 'Eye of the North', I believe that thats where the most elitism is being held now due to that you have to be r10 when, actually, it doesn't really matter.

Tyla · Aug 04, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

I don't really care whether there is elitism or not. Words are merely words if you've thick skin, and as long as you're motivated to continue to get better instead of letting people put you down while making an extreme effort you'll come out slightly successful. The most elitist area I would say is all around the game.

PvE vs. PvP debates, rank discrimination (Although this is quite reasonable, since rank often indicates experience in that particular field. This doesn't apply to PvE though as most of the grind titles carry a benefit), people saying X profession sucks at everything, people claiming to know stuff when they just steal words from other people's mouths, but when it comes to the end they screw up and people claiming money = good at the game. The list goes on, but there is elitism in every game. The most I can say to people who don't like it is "Welcome to the internet".

Diddy bow · Aug 04, 2008, 11:33 PM // 23:33

HA is pretty much exclusivly elitist.

Most guilds generally let you in so long as your a nice enough person, PVE, well you just need the build. TA is either friends guilds or randoms.

romeus petrus · Aug 04, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Elitism is alive and well in both PvE and PvP. Although now as the game is getting older, and PvE getting dryer every day; it is getting hard to be an elitist in PvE.

Jetdoc · Aug 04, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Honestly, I think the root of elitism is grounded in players who fear "losing" much more than they enjoy "winning". This definitely isn't isolated to PvP, but is more prevalent there because of the inherently competitive nature of that game.

Elitism in PvE generally resides in the elite areas (pun intended) where 1+ hours of someone's time is at stake, so elitism allows those players who fear "losing" that time to minimize their risk.

FengShuiDove · Aug 05, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

In people like me who didn't read the page and a half before me just so I could make a snide remark about the incorrect spelling of "where" in the thread title.

Grammar > u

Sarevok Thordin · Aug 05, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

PvE elitism is just silly.

I've been known to sneak into DoA groups with r4 ursan (I really wanted to finish that area ok? I didn't want to spend weeks trying to find a REAL group among all the sheep ._.) and still outperformed the others. To which I was subjected to torrents of rage whispers when I revealed my actual rank after doing it. All because I got some nicer drops than them.

But I'm not going back there again

Tender Wolf · Aug 05, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

I don't think there is any "elitism" in the game to be honest. Wow, you have God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals. Ooo you have rank 10 Ursan. Yay you've completed Hero's Ascent 100 times. Sure it's cool but does that make you elite/better than everyone else? Personally I think not.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 05, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

I don't think there is any "elitism" in the game to be honest. Wow, you have God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals. Ooo you have rank 10 Ursan. Yay you've completed Hero's Ascent 100 times. Sure it's cool but does that make you elite/better than everyone else? Personally I think not.

There very much are players who are better than others, most groups have this in mind when they're recruiting. Top 10 GvG players, the first players to complete DOA, and the people who create the most popular builds are all demonstrably better players than most other people. The issue with titles and rank is that they're not a surefire way of telling who's a better player. They maybe be statistically more likely to be a better player, but it's not a sure thing.

Messy · Aug 05, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Been there done that.

Another PvP vs PvE , Nerf Ursan vs don't Nerf Ursan thread that quickly turns into a flame fest and attracts the trolls.

/closed